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tldr; Everything is ok! buy more jpegs.
Some epic stream and podcast content recently!
Using the building analogy from the Guard Frequency podcast, I would say I was walking by and saw an advertisement claiming each room gets a free butler in perpetuity. ‘lol nope’ and I kept on walking. Of course all these recent events have agitated the shitizens again with crap being spewed everywhere. I will tackle the “You don’t know the facts” horseshit as it covers some of the other stuff as well.
Fact: Original due date of November 2014 was shat on by all the promised features after the kickstarter campaign. The vast, vast majority of said features have yet to materialize with shitizens even admitting that they haven’t left the design board. Slightly more on ‘is time a constraint??’ later.
Fact: Chris promised commercial release for 2016. If they are going for the goat simulator of space sims I guess this is possible and it might be worth $10 but I have doubts. Yes Chris then said that because of all the ‘mean’ people they won’t give deadlines anymore. ok not word for word but fairly equivalent. Star Marine straight up disappeared because..um..it was already there? lol Try pulling that shit with a publisher.
Fact: You don’t need to be involved with game development to know or at least consider how probable a project in that area will fail. Reasons for project failure are the same in any area due to some limited resources like cash and time. Or simply just unfeasible. And yes things like scope creep and missing milestones happen but nothing like SCs debacles for healthy projects. Additionally due to the same sad stories over and over again in other projects/ventures, seemingly some people might be amazed at how much cash a failing project can burn through in short time. Completion dates of 2019, 2020 are wishes and dreams. And all that is before you consider other possible ways for funds to be used up……
Fact: Flowing on from the above fact, a number of people including those who are involved in the same or similar industries have called into question the technical feasibility of SCs implementation. Unless it involves virtually starting from scratch then ‘moar development’ is not going to fix this. Put aside the time frame for things to get stale as mentioned by Chris and from the other side “they have no patience”. Fact is for some other games people have done more with less. SC development is extremely slow with potential revenue streams getting highest priority. As others said a poorly made foundation does not get fixed but instead has other buggy crap coated on. So now back to it, as the years pass by patience has nothing to do with it but concerns over will it ever be made do.
Fact: Some shitizens are stating that in general they are not concerned even if a low quality game is released with the supposed possibility of improvements being made beyond the foreseeable future. Indeed you are well within your rights to pay for a shit tier game within the foreseeable future (permanently in the case of SC), but please note that those then calling you a moron for doing so are not trolling. Finally CIG sure as shit did not hype and market a shit tier game until more ‘recent times’ e.g. the passenger transport minigames etc.
Fact: Those that I would call shitizens are intolerant to dissenting opinions to the extent that they label ALL such opinions as trolling/conspiracy. How healthy! Another sad example are those that believe that a lot of stuff is being added to the super secret SQ42 and all will be well soon after it is released. Such blind faith is why you guys get legitimately called a cult. You would think that this, plus the proclaimed incompatibility between SQ42 and SC matches up more with what Derek is saying – SC in maintenance mode and SQ42 mad dash last best hope to release SOMETHING, but go figure.
Fact: Yes there is trolling on both sides but what of it? It does not impact any other fact. Also there is no law saying that people can’t make fun of something going down the shitter (within reason). In fact it would be unnatural not to which is why I o.O at some of what I’ve seen the shitizens say about that.
Fact: The legendary stream of Chris trying to play SC shows how disturbingly detached he is from his game. And no that does not conflict with the fact of him disapproving of assets causing tremendous amounts of rework and any other interference he is causing.
I could go on but the point is made. Those stating that SC is doomed (with variance of how it will play out before expiry) do know the facts and have based their opinion on them.
From all the recent hilarity going on the thing that got my interest the most would be Paypal putting their foot down regarding crowdfunding. Deadline 25th June. regarding implications others would know better then me as I am not a Paypal customer and don’t know the extent of their protection program. However it is my understanding that in general those who took their case to Paypal after CIG refused, received reimbursement? If so, then is this the last call for refunds for unhappy CIG customers as well as crowdfunding sites that allow Paypal payments? (excluding direct card payments with their own terms for chargebacks). For CIG specifically the May TOS deadline might thicken the plot. I have always been of the opinion that people should seek a refund ‘NOW!’, likely get refused by CIG then chargeback. But I am wondering if its worth for them to delay to see what happens with the TOS. I am interested in other peoples perspective on this although admit most people have been sorted into got refund or not already. However there may be a few wavering holdouts who might be triggered by the announcement to take action this late in the game.
As for Paypals decision, with a small reservation I think it is overall an appropriate response to the high risk of crowdfunding. People need to start looking past the promises and dreams and instead look at the years of crowdfunding experience now collectively gathered. The comments on a number of kickstarter project pages are a warning to everyone who would think of opening their wallet. And satisfied customers in others. Choose wisely.
I listened to the recording of the recent stream on crowdfunding Derek participated in. Some intriguing ideas were discussed such as insurance/escrow to counter the doom that has been present in a number of projects that are funded at a high value. It is definitely an issue Kickstarter should be looking at to prepare for possible hostile conditions in a post Star Citizen failcascade world. Although yeah no easy answers. Taking insurance, say someone promises game A, which blows into BDSSE!! game B after initial funding and gets released as shit tier MVP game C. Would a payout occur in such a scenario? Not necessarily. Other pitfalls might be an unwillingness of coverage greater then a certain number of cents to the dollar, policy time frames (with value consumed over time) and restriction of payout to original backers who register in a limited time frame after project failure. Anyway it will be interesting if crowdfunding does find an answer. Which may very well be to leave things as they are.
Of course from the sounds of it, the shitizens were banging their pots and pans in chat. That continued into the comment section with among the usual pointless crap they spew out is the ever hilarious line that they are having fun in Star Citizen. However I feel commendation is well deserved to the the person responding to them with “And sure, some people even have fun eating shit. That’s not the point.” Pretty much that right there. Even if the shitizens are able to somehow draw out ‘fun’ from SC, it is all over this year or next. Enjoy your MVP if you get even that.
Holy shit. I clicked on the link to MaxLexandre’s profile, noted the total post count and ran the post history search.
Literally – Thread: The Star Citizen Thread v 4 by MaxLexandre x2000. No need to guess the thread where his first post was. An obvious shill or completionist (well maybe down to one of the ‘admiralty’) who stared at the jpegs too long.
Seriously shitizens? You think this is ok? Going onto a CIG competitors forums then promoting your game and casting the rival game in a relatively negative light. The fact that Frontier and CIG are on ‘friendly’ terms does not make this behavior better. Not to mention baiting/harassing E:D customers on their own forums when they disagree with the crap. I left the frontier forums a while ago but it is sad to see it struck with this infestation, when in the beginning it was an awesome place. I expect to return though shortly after Star Citizen failcascades. I will no doubt get banned, going out in a blaze of glory with humorous observations as well as by then, obvious very favorable comparisons for E:D.
A minimum viable product feature list. I love it!
Should not be too long now for me to make a reasonably accurate timer counting down to the end. Of course if CIG wants to do honest marketing (well, in a relative sense) they would put up a very visible notifications before and during purchasing that not all promised features will be available on ‘full’ commercial release. To be honest I haven’t checked but I hazard the guess there are no such banners. Feel free to rake me over the coals if there are such things. Warning: obscure fine print no one reads does not count and I have doubts about that as well.
So the community reactions? People are concerned, however if you get your shovel and go digging into the sludge…
Well the shitizens seem to be operating on the basis that this all means most if not all their treasured features will be included. Still BDSSE! Misses! Chis is just ‘tempering expectations’ and that ‘the truth is being twisted’. The holy good word CAN NEVER be twisted I suppose. Ah, how amusing it will be when reality catches up to even those hopeless cases and they are shitting themselves blind in rage.
“Do you support the current argument about Ben’s old quote archive? If so.. there’s no use talking to you.”
I regard that question as being a bit flawed as I would throw back the question: What does Ben’s reprehensible old quote archive have to do with the failure of star citizen? Which has the obvious answer of nothing. Note how I never mentioned it in past posts.
But ok I will bite anyway. Take a general member of the public who knows nothing about star citizen. Provide only the the info that the very public figure/customer relations person of an unnamed $112m company (just for arguments sake) wrote this (a few select quotes with admission of writing them). Question: should this person remain in that public role? A reasonable majority will say no due to not having vested interest, and will rely on their moral alignment which shows that disturbing, reprehensible shit as being intolerable for a public position. There is my opinion as well.
Alternatively say the archive belonged to an elected member of a political party I hated/made fun of. Would I use it to attack the party itself? No as the typical supporters themselves would find it reprehensible. Would I expect the official to stand down? Most definitely. Of course,would there be others who attack the party as a whole as well as opposing diehards who refuse to believe/accept/whatever? Also yes. Would I attempt to intervene? No, that’s life. The analogy should be fairly clear. If you are so inclined then take your moral issues up with them, not me.
However I don’t recommend it. I suggest that your flawed question to me was a result of you eagerly attempting to take the moral high ground above both ‘sides’, as demonstrated throughout your posts (whether you realize it yourself, meh) . As an example one particularly damning line is:
“Both sides playing ‘innocent’ and enlarging every small infraction like it’s some stranger beating up little kids”
By probability, it is highly unlikely you do deserve to be a higher moral authority for any side or individual. Additionally as has been a running theme in my posts, even if you were such an authority the end is nigh and your complaints/concerns are pointless, valid or not. Meh, my opinion, by all means carry on.
I did read your posts friend, all of it. It is a pity you seemingly did not read all of mine. I even had highlighted an important part just to make it simple for you in a section you did not quote. Here it is again:
But it does not mean anything at this point in time.
Your concerns regarding the game are irrelevant due to star citizen being FUBAR.
This also means there is nothing any other party can do at this point that is counter productive as CIG has already been sabotaging themselves for years. But hey just my opinion. By all means go on blaming ‘counter productivity’ on whoever you want. Feel free to include me too for the shitizen tear harvesting i will do elsewhere as this plays out. There is a chance I could bring the whole thing down with such counter productivity!
Seriously, good to hear that you only lost that much. A bad situation (in this case no game) could always be worse.
Wow, still seems some people still don’t get it. And by ‘it’ I mean how far down the toilet star citizen has gone. The latest blog is called Extinction Level Event for a very good reason. Just my speculation but perhaps those such as Denan want to believe that there is still hope for the game, simply because they don’t want to face the fact that their money has been wasted. Following that reasoning, if everyone pointing grim opinions like that out, as well as the other horrors occurring then go away, everything will be better. The shitizen community and CIG management/CS team will accept all their valid concerns with open arms with the ‘obstacles’ then removed. LMAO.
Seriously dude for whatever the reason, how is it so difficult to understand from all the evidence that has been presented (a multitude of sources not just here) that we have passed the point of no return. You can have any number of concerns, very valid concerns about a variety of aspects of the game. But it does not mean anything at this point in time. You are not going to get a game with even a 1/4 of what was promised. The best you can hope for is some shit tier game as described in that goon leak sometime ago. The why this is happening has nothing to do Derek and some goons. Its been less then a year since Derek’s first blog about the game! Hell, I am an avid space sim fan who started following this hilarity since the second half of 2013. Never gave a single cent to the project because I saw it for what it was with all the hype and scope creep. Thats right, ~ 2 years before 1st blog! Just want to emphasize that.
The reasons why you have lost any money put towards star citizen is as follows:
1. Chris Roberts. Constant rework, movie aspirations, history of incompetence speaks for itself. No Microsoft to save the day this time. Not to forget unprofessional as demonstrated by the 8 hour missive of fail and lol he wrote. A CEO doing that in other businesses would typically be on the way out. The fact Chris is still there with power shows what a farce this all is.
2. Organizational culture plus external community. Reports of CIGs internal failings are the stuff of nightmares and the external community is regarded as the most toxic that ever existed which is saying something.
3. Crippling technical issues as covered expertly by others here and elsewhere.
I strongly recommend those that are accepting that the project is in serious trouble yet are placing the blame where it does not belong, to instead focus on getting your money back. If all attempts at this fail then take it as a life lesson and get over it.
