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April 11, 2016 at 5:31 pm #2916
April 16, 2016 at 7:30 pm #3061J HOWParticipant
For the moment I don’t think we can accurately predict when the project is going to “die”, by the supporters definition of “die”. Here in lies the problem that whilst the industry at large is getting clued up rather rapidly we should add, how can the fans or supporters know it’s dead if they keep on handing over money? Thus prolonging the life cycle and of some really dealings in the UK government and local councils with job creation funds effectively paying a private company to create UK jobs and for council funding, which they CAN legally do but at the moment they are taking on large risk because they will have to justify how that money is spent thus creating a longer cycle of where everything is up in the air. If that money leaves the UK or has found to have left to the US or German studio then that is a risk they are taking on.
The biggest problem is waking people up from this cycle, at the moment if you are seen as a detractor you are automatically seen as a Derek Smart shill. Fair enough I post on your forums and do agree, but an agreement on an opinion of a subject doesn’t automatically agree with everything said and done. Some of the things I’ve witnessed are pretty toxic, any mention of Derek Smart seems to be a firestarter for any supporter of the game. It has got a lot worse recently and is getting very personal and aggressive to anyone that speaks up.
More recently things have went quiet around their UK offices, we still have some of their staff applying for jobs time to time but they no longer even reach the interview stage with my company. The only feedback we now get is when they do something very stupid with their staff and the staff speak within their circles about it which eventually reaches every company within a large radius. Sometimes silence is good, in this case it’s either catastrophic or a sign of major changes.
Whilst it is argued amongst their fans that “you don’t understand game development”, “this is alpha”, “this is pre-alpha”, “this is a tech demo”, etc it seems to me those in the same industry do have a right to speak up and say it’s not. In fact I would argue that this is definitely not game development as I know it, agile or not – this is a mess. Whilst I may not agree with all Derek Smart’s methods I believe him to be making a lot more sense than CIG and the supporters, and fans. Some of the arguments they are making currently are just beyond any logical reason. My personal feelings and experiences with CIG aside, I still don’t understand why people are investing so much into this game and such a die hard fan base that is really starting to resemble a cult for some time now. I would say such “dedication” is dangerous and resembles an ideology.
My hope that when it does finally end one way or another that it is not as explosive as it appears to be. I have nasty feelings some of the more dedicated fans may be unable to accept loss of the game and become a threat to themselves or others.April 16, 2016 at 6:57 pm #3059
Yeah, OK, maybe if you focused more on the fact that the issue is about Star Citizen, and less about “what Derek Smart says”, you’d be better of. And then we’d – maybe – have a meaningful discussion about the merits.
Everything that a person engages in, is personal. You think I’m spending all my time and resources on this because it’s “business”? No, it’s not.
You don’t have to like my methods – and I simply don’t care. This is not a crusade, nor am I looking for support. It’s a quest for truth and accountability. And simply because they, instead of acknowledging the mistakes for a project a lot of us backed, started a war with me of all people. And one they simply couldn’t win, given the facts of the matter.
So, we fight.April 16, 2016 at 6:41 pm #3058DenanParticipant
Yeah.. i know.. the last time i posted in response to you was about 8 months ago. It was somewhere on the old forums and i was asking you to behave less ‘trollish’ cause i thought you had valid points. You still have, but it gets lost in the nonsense of you posting SA photoshops and generally behaving like someone on a crusade.
You once said this wasn’t personal.. but it is. You lost me, and some of my friends who are also base level backers and who had worries, during that period. The breaking point for me was when you cried “wolf” and said the guy in the wheelchair doxed you. Quite childish, as a statement that says “i can understand that someone would dox this guy” is something else then “this is Derek, he lives at xxx -xx and i urge you to harass him”.
These pasth months you’ve made sure that all your statements are vague enough “we heard.. as rumored.. some people said” to prevent legal action. And in the meantime you’re getting plenty of traction from the less informed crowd to fuel your twitter feed. But in doing so you have squandered all chances of there ever being openness about the issues surrounding SC.
Basis mechanics are still not in place, nor are they discussed by CIG
- The economy doesn’t exist
- Crafting is non existent
- Mining doesn’t exist (no theory, no mechanics)
- There is no gameplay/role for bigger ships
The situation is the same as the last time i responded all those months ago.. and your actions, and the goons, have created a hostile environment that prevents any form of in depth discussion of the issues. I just shake my head when i see you (or one of the SA’s) glowing with pride with the fact that SC’s say ‘all negative responses/articles must have come from Derek or the goon’s!”.. Ridiculing them.. when in fact you’re both responding in all those threads, the goons usually under hidden accounts.
And yes.. i can see the fun in all that.. Reading SA i can see a lot of potential.. a lot of intelligence.. and tons of dark and twisted humor. But you and the goons are taking it too far. There is no more room for serious questions, no room for discussion, no room for debate. I have no question the goons don’t take themselves seriously.. but i’m starting to wonder if you are.
Its just your one sided war and thus far both you and the goons have thoroughly prevented all transparency into the way this project is being run.
And now, after giving Randy the cold shoulder for being a SJW, you’ve gone full SJW yourself on some of Ben’s old archives? Damn man.. have some respect for yourself. I wonder what @voxday would say when he reads the way you nailed him to the cross. And yes.. you will probably say its all a jest.. But come one. You’re intelligent enough to know better than this. To behave better than this.
– I was a derek smart supporter, Then you gave your troll persona the upper hand (applauding suicide in the SA forum?) and you lost my support. Still reading your twitter feed and your blogs.. and seeing your latest actions.. I am starting to thoroughly dislike you. Not only as a person, but most of all your methods. And yes.. i do blame you for the current entrenchment of both the SC community and CIG.April 16, 2016 at 4:36 pm #3055
Yes. These are the people in charge of the Star Citizen community. So now it’s no surprise that it’s a toxic shit canApril 16, 2016 at 4:21 pm #3054lir bigParticipant
Just seen the whole lot of it back from work; not surprised really, but Wow just wow lol. Star Nazi-tizen, where you whipe the galaxy out of the naugthy Muslims. So SG confirmed racist twice; Ben Lesnick , confirmed. Come on CIG more of it please. This is how game development surely work.April 15, 2016 at 10:06 am #3014
First of all Star Marine wasn’t cut/cancelled as was stated by Derek. https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/653669257373478912.
He also brought up the fact that CR was married to Sandi Gardener, and that Sandi did not have the degrees she claimed. Those are just some of the “facts” you seem to have overlooked” Does she write code ? What difference does it make if she is married to CR or not or that she is working for CIG none, they can hire whom ever they want to hire as long as the job gets done.. You are taking things to a personal level and that’s just wromg. I could make similar statements towards Derek too but that’s just being ignorant. As I stated it’s all conjecture….. [/quote]
I don’t even know how to respond this. Clearly you’re just being a troll. Since we don’t tolerate that here, your account has been banned.
This is not CIG forums, Reddit, or all those other places where you guys just regurgitate the same nonsense while completely ignoring the facts.
Star Marine is canceled. There’s no question about this. It is a fact.
Chris and Sandi, hiding the fact that they were married (twice), and in all interviews pretended that this was not the case, is a fact.
Sandi lying – repeatedly – that she held degrees she didn’t have, is a fact.
When the authorities get involved, the Sandi issue alone, in which she lied while in the pursuit of extracting of money from backers/investors as a show of confidence as per qualifications, is a legally – and criminally – actionable – offense. Look it up.April 15, 2016 at 1:43 am #3011johnny canadaParticipant
Star Marine wasn’t cut LOL that’s the funniest thing. You are a real joker. This must be a goon troll.
Star marine was a standalone FPS module for testing mechanics. This module was two weeks away for months until suddenly it wasn’t. In the 10 ftc video, CR clearly said he believed Star Marine was in the PU already and a standalone module was not needed. This is a classic bait and switch.
As far as Sandy goes. People may not have backed if they understood that unqualified people were running the show due to nepotism.April 15, 2016 at 1:44 am #3012Hotsauce ShoTYMEParticipant
Hotshot makes a good point, I would also add Derek predicted they would stop giving refunds and try to release something buggy quickly to void the refund terms, after PTU 2.0, they said it was significant release and no refunds. He also said they would be cutting features, and shortly later Star Marine is cut, and I’m not sure what happened to Sata Ball. He also brought up the fact that CR was married to Sandi Gardener, and that Sandi did not have the degrees she claimed. Those are just some of the “facts” you seem to have overlooked.
First of all Star Marine wasn’t cut/cancelled as was stated by Derek. https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/653669257373478912 <span style=”color: #a1a2a5; font-family: georgia, serif;”><span style=”font-size: 19px; line-height: 28.5px; background-color: #333333;”><i>CR Quote: “It’s definitely in and Star Marine was originally our idea of how to get people to play the FPS before we could put everything together, but since that obviously took longer than we expected to get FPS to the level that we are comfortable with.”“By the time we got it to the level we said, ‘Okay you guys can play this.’ Well we already had all the other things combined with the large world and the 64-bit coordinates and the zone system so that was it. So there you are, we will have Gold Horizon, we will have Star Marine, but that will come online once all the basic FPS features are out in and live in the mini PU.”</i></span></span> As to “<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>He also brought up the fact that CR was married to Sandi Gardener, and that Sandi did not have the degrees she claimed. Those are just some of the “facts” you seem to have overlooked”</span> Does she write code ? What difference does it make if she is married to CR or not or that she is working for CIG none, they can hire whom ever they want to hire as long as the job gets done.. You are taking things to a personal level and that’s just wromg. I could make similar statements towards Derek too but that’s just being ignorant. As I stated it’s all conjecture….. [/quote]
You are a fool and a trick who deserves to get conned if you see nothing wrong with not disclosing the person you hired as a VP was your wife. Why would you even hide the fact she is your wife?
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