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I definitely understand your frustration and you are right to be frustrated. All I am saying is that its a buyer beware thing with crowd funding. You might get promised something but the whole idea behind crowd funding is to donate to something you believe in….not to buy a product or service.
CIG promised things by a certain date and they failed to deliver, which is a problem definitely. However, this doesn’t really mean that the game will never get made, ever. It just means (like all games) that the official release is delayed. Just about every big publisher has experienced delays up to two years (sometimes way more). I’m just a little salty about the horrendous community management and engagement. If CR can take a serious step back and say “Look guys because we expanded the scope of the PU, we will just have to release the game when its ready”. Ubisoft recently did this with The Division. Time and time again they said to the players “we’ll release the game when it’s ready”. And even they made the mistake of hyping up The Division way too soon or didn’t anticipate the reaction they would get.
Regarding their solvency….I really doubt they would be moving into a bigger studio and hiring people in pretty much every studio if they were running into money problems so unless you have something concrete outside of your own personal guesswork you won’t convince me of money problems.
Playing the baby PU has given me a little hope based on the progress I have seen so far. As long as they get their act together with community engagement and interaction I think they can probably restore some lost confidence by continuing to deliver the game (albeit very slowly). And hopefully there will be no more Illfonic fuck ups as development continues.
Hey Guys,
Sorry for the delayed response but I have been Christmas shopping lol.
@MDrake
JPEGS – I understand that they haven’t delivered but I mean, its crowdfunding. I didn’t pay money expecting any ship….I paid money because I had some fond childhood memories of playing wing commander with my Dad and remembering how cool that game was at the time. So I funded it because I had some background with Chris Roberts and the game and while it says I will get a ship….I never expect anything with crowdfunding…I donated some money to a project I had a genuine belief in, which is really what crowd funding is all about. That’s why I can’t really understand why so many people are spending large sums of money and then crying later that they don’t have their ship. Its really a donation. Now they are obligated to deliver what they promised according to the ToS but I mean the common understanding here is that this is a donation.
I haven’t made a decision on my refund either way yet…I’m just a little frustrated at how long its taking.
Furniture – I do tend to think that this is a little petty. There is a very strong case for airplane/ spaceship furniture because that creates a creative environment for the psyche. And this game is all about creativity. When an artist surrounds himself with a project…it spurs creative momentum….I have seen this happen first hand (my old friend is an artist). Inspiration can strike from any direction.
The Lawsuit – I am totally not looking for intimate details on the lawsuit, I know how the process works. I am simply looking for confirmation that a lawsuit has been filed. That tells me that someone has something…so far I don’t think Derek has filed yet though. Until that happens…I really don’t have anything solid to go off of to make a judgement either way.
2.0 – I have been playing baby PU for the last few days and I have to say I am pleasantly surprised. I was expecting way less given the recent huge delays. My confidence really wavered with their decision to hand FPS over to Illfonic and watching that whole thing erupt into a mushroom cloud of suck. But I have to say that I see some real progress on the game with this latest release. Also, it appears they are switching over to a rapid deployment strategy now that the stream has been unified so that makes me feel a little better as well. The flip side of that coin is that it does look like they are still two years out from a total and completed PU with the 30-40 discoverable star systems and all. Although, I don’t really remember how many landing zones will be with each system if any. But that two year estimate was based on when the dev streams were all separate.
I think for now I am going to just tread carefully and keep a watchful eye on things. I definitely don’t think CIG is at risk of bankruptcy or “collapsing” as Derek puts it but I tend to be more patient than most. I want to see how well they learn from their mistakes. Plus SQ42 looks like it will be a kick ass game. It will be interesting to see if they can deliver it in 2016.
Ok, so I am going to preface this with…I am fairly new to the whole controversy. I am a backer. And I sincerely acknowledge that CIG has made several developmental and PR errors with the game. I just finished reading what took several hours most of the blogs (skipping over the dramatic parts). And I am considering getting a refund.
Now that being said I am usually the guy that asks the tough questions but I do so only in the interest of keeping things fact based and examining the heart of the issue. I do not ask the tough questions for the purpose of intentionally discrediting one side or the other.
So specifically regarding the blog I wanted to try an organize this in a clear way:
CIG Not Delivering On Promises:
I totally agree with you here. They have not delivered on any of their promises and that quite frankly really hurts their credibility. This is one of the reasons why I am considering a refund.
CIG is Mis-Allocating Backer Funds and is At Risk of Failing:
So this is what confuses me as a fact based skeptic. I know you firmly believe that they are misallocating funds, and maybe you have some info that I don’t, but to a guy like me I only see that they showing steady (but certainly not timely or fast) results. Buying a bigger office to fit everyone….etc. These are not indications of fund misallocation or at risk of failure. Can you explain why you feel this way?
Backers Buying JPEG’s for Ships:
Again, I am not trying to be cynical towards any one side. But I am not sure what your message is. I agree that backers are buying pictures of JPEGS and quite frankly I can’t fathom why some would spend so much but its not my money. I am not sure what the point of this part of the blog is about except for pointing out the fact that there are some fanatical people that aren’t frugal with their money.
3 Years of Development vs 4 Years of Development
This is a great point, but one I think needs to be proven and confirmed by facts. You referenced an article, but after reading the article I didn’t really see where Chris admits that the game has been in full steam development. I see a guy trying to raise funds to start actual development of the game.
Anyways I think time will tell once this lawsuit finally gets underway and all the evidence finally gets out.
Actually after reading this you bring up some great points.
I think there has been some dirt slinging on both sides of this situation, so it will be interesting to see what happens come January 6th if they do run out of money.
