- November 4, 2015 at 1:53 am #1517
My new blog is going live in the AM. It was finished but at the last minute, something came up that legal needed me to source.Once you read it, you’ll see why.
By the time I got around to doing that, it was already late and I was busy with other things.
The blog will go live at this link tomorrow morning at 10AM EST
- January 5, 2016 at 2:46 pm #2163
This first appeared as a section in my Interstellar Pirates blog. I needed a link directly to that section, hence this post.
THE GIZMONDO MONEY LAUNDERING CONNECTIONNovember 13, 2015 at 11:42 pm #1731
I think it is important to remember that one man is not going to take the project down by writing a blog, if the project fails, then the project was doomed already. This means that it is wrong to be angry at D Smart for pointing out concerns.November 13, 2015 at 11:29 pm #1730
Another curious question, would you actually ever want to work on Star Citizen? If so, what capacities would interest you?November 5, 2015 at 11:15 am #1614
Kristoffer S: Just to get the fact straight?
CIG has totally ignored my ticket for 3 weeks and I’m a Grand Admiral. You do not value your $1,000 like I do my $2,500. I expect a product and not a dream. Chris Roberts repeatedly used dates, and missed every single one of them. That is on him. If he never put a date on the project or refund policy in the Terms of Services 1.0, I would have never backed.
CIG is ignoring the Terms of Services 1.0 that I agreed to. Don’t remember when I last actually logged into Arena Commander on my own account or PC. I have no interest downloading a minimum of 24 GB every 2-3 patches.
The last Steam Summer Sale I bought Strike Suit Infinity for $1.97 and played 45 min. Submitted a refund ticket on help.steampowered.com later in Sept and got my $1.97 back to my steam wallet in 8 days.
Steam may be slow as hell, but they actually do refund. CIG is ignoring large customers and even raises eyes when some refunds are sent from Twin Bros. GmbH, Ortwin’s company. If you don’t find that fishy and suspicious, you are not someone I can take seriously.November 5, 2015 at 10:14 am #1612
I’d love it if you could provide the link to that GIF again. I found it hysterical, and wanted to share it with friends.
ThanksJanuary 28, 2016 at 2:13 pm #2385
List of Star Citizen related corporate entities
November 14, 2015 at 11:29 am #1732
- Cloud Imperium Games Corp, West Hollywood, CA
- Cloud Imperium Games LLC, West Hollywood, CA
- Cloud Imperium Services, LLC West Hollywood, CA <– The one is interesting. It is found on BBB, but is not in the CA Secretary Of State dB records
- Cloud Imperium Games LLC, Santa Monica, CA
- Cloud Imperium Games Texas LLC, West Hollywood, CA
- Cloud Imperium Games Texas LLC, Austin, TX
- Cloud Imperium Games UK Limited, UK
- Foundry 42 Limited, UK
- Foundry 42, Germany
- Gemini 42 Entertainment LLC, West Hollywood, CA
- Gemini 42 Productions LLC, Santa Monica, CA
- Roberts Space Industries Corp, West Hollywood, CA
- Roberts Space Industries International Limited, UK
- Twin Brothers Production Inc, West Hollywood, CA
- Twin Bros, Germany
In case you missed my Tweet earlier today. Foundry 42 UK have filed their accounting. It doesn’t look good. They’re low on cash.
And that number you see as them being owed money, is probably from funding since the company doesn’t have anything to sell which would lead to them being owed money.November 5, 2015 at 11:40 am #1615
I apologise if my comment sounded condescending or offended you, that really wasn’t my intention at all!
I was merely pointing out that CIG has pretty much the same refund policy as Steam officially has – NOW! But that’s only for new backers, not for us OB. And unfortunately it’s the OB’s that are feeling most let down at the moment. I do hope you get your refund, no one should be a backer if they don’t want to!November 14, 2015 at 11:32 am #1733
@michael: No, it was to discuss with him my findings, what I had been told etc and get an official response from him so that I could include his perspective in the blog without it being one-sided.
Nowhere did you see me say anything about lending support. What I said – and which you quoted – was pretty clear on the motives. So I don’t even know why you’re asking.November 5, 2015 at 11:54 am #1616
Indeed. And the effects of this are already being felt. Several space combat games have failed to fund.
Everspace, which is led by space combat veterans, funded recently
Into The Stars barely funded.
Lord Of Rigel didn’t make it
Infinity Battlescape is struggling and probably won’t make it because it needs an average of 5K more backers to raise $70K within the next 14 days.
Here is a list of all Kickstarter space combat games (some are pure crap) that have failed to fund since 2012.November 5, 2015 at 11:58 am #1618
@anchorite Your post was deleted. While you have not been banned, I invite you to edit your post (assuming you have it stored) to remove any/all personal attacks, statements which are veiled personal attacks etc and keep it strictly about the discussions within the blog. Anything else, you can go post on Reddit where it belongs.
Thanks for understanding.
ps: If you want to see what respectful disagreement and discourse looks like, take a look at Kristoffer’s posts or the many posts in the older blog comments.November 14, 2015 at 11:35 am #1735
@michael No, I already stated clearly that I have NO such interest in the project.
ps: you have been banned for making personal attacks hereDecember 12, 2015 at 1:21 pm #1927
They made quite a bit of money in Oct/Nov due to CitizenCon and the anniversary sales. So that should last at least two months. Regardless, 2016 is the definitive year. And since they’re already tapped out on what they can raise money on, the next target seems to be SQ42.December 12, 2015 at 12:09 pm #1925
Actually after reading this you bring up some great points.
I think there has been some dirt slinging on both sides of this situation, so it will be interesting to see what happens come January 6th if they do run out of money.December 12, 2015 at 12:02 pm #1924
Can you maybe give a little more details about your refund?
I am considering getting one myself and interested in hearing any pitfalls you may have had?November 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm #1811
Star Citizen anniversary sale today. Now we see if they raise enough to continue to summer.November 20, 2015 at 5:59 am #1796
I have to admin I wasn’t fully paying attention to the livestream, I was too busy playing a fully working game 🙂 , but did he really promise a full PU release in 2016? not just alpha or beta or something, but an honest to god ready for market PU release in 2016?
If he did he’s bonkers. But the sad truth of today is that alot of people, from politicians, to CEO’s to game developers are replacing “intent” with “promise”. I can fully buy his intentions are to release it in 2016, the same as any CEO’s intention is that their stocks will rise and politician that he will win this election or any new startup being “industry leading”. Call it posturing, anti-FUD or whatever you will, but noone wants to back a losing horse.
Not saying it’s ok, just that yes it’s a promise and one that will go down as another broken promise of this project but not something that’ll convince me he’s the devil or evil schemer you’re portraying him to be.November 19, 2015 at 7:25 pm #1794
Right. I get that. But Chris Roberts has – again – gone on the record and saying the game, including Squadron 42, is going to be completed in 2016. So you agree that he continues to lie then? That’s what you’re saying if you are now saying that you expect to see everything promised by 2020.November 19, 2015 at 12:47 am #1781
This is why I would suck if I ever tried the stock market for real – it’s so driven by speculation and posturing and a single unsubstantiated rumor of a company having problems can sink the stock value that I just couldn’t stand it. Like the recent “crisis” a few months ago when problems in China (combined with Marting “the forecaster” Armstrong having predicted a collapse of China in late 2015) made the stock markets go bananas and I lost like 10% of my savings in a week. And then .. nothing, and now everything is back up to where it was before and I’m left wondering “what was facts and what was FUD”. And the same goes on here, CIG is posturing and promising 2.0 “soon(tm)” while Derek is speading the FUD.
And just to be clear – when I say “I expect it in 2020 and fine with that”, I mean the full PU with the planets, landing zones and ships flyable, not SQ42 which really should be out in _aleast_ beta stage in 2016. I fully realise that’s 2 years after their Kickstarter estimate of Nov 2014 but I don’t have a problem with that. Kind of like I didn’t have a problem when Blizzard delayed “Diablo 3” for 2 more years (and took another 2 years to make it actually good).
By the way, a tip to the webmasters of this place – the design for the forum is completely fubar on mobile devices! Replies gets indented all the time so Derek’s reply showed one character per row. And I’m not used to reading vertically, so you may want to check up on that 🙂November 18, 2015 at 3:23 pm #1768
That’s precisely the sort of rhetoric that is partially responsible for how we got here. For someone like Soren saying that it’s OK and expects it in 2020, which is five years and God only knows how many millions away, is irresponsible and laughable.
I don’t expect the project to survive 2016, let alone last until 2020.November 17, 2015 at 11:54 pm #1763
I have as little information to make that statement as Derek has (publically available, i.e not “trust me”) to make his prediction the company will blow up and crumble by January 6th next year.
The only thing we have are the available facts – they have $95 million of crowdfunded money. Beyond that, according to them, they have subscriber’s money (that sponsor the YouTube videos) and sponsordeals that pays for marketing. Add to that the additional millions that is gonna roll in in the next few months and the sale of SQ42 if it comes out next year (of which they’ve already sold about 1 million copies so not sure how much more they can make off of that) … And when comparing to other major AAA titles their completely on track (I just wish they’d stop saying otherwise). But that’s if you believe everything that everyone tells you (for all we know, that crowdfunding counter may be completely bogus).
Point is, as thing stands right now, with lack of evidence to the contrary, I’m chosing to go with the people that knows their financials, rather than Derek who has presented 1 single fact about their financials (the publically available F42 financial reports which says nothing to me).
But you’re right, I don’t have any insider information on that. Derek might have – we don’t know.November 17, 2015 at 8:01 pm #1762
lmao uhh, what?
“Personally I expect it in 2020 – if they have the money to go on for that long, which they should.”
What information do you have that noone else has for you to make that claim? Just curious, because it sounds like a lot of bullshit to me.November 17, 2015 at 3:21 pm #1761
Thanks to the effort in going back to fact check, the AtV 2.06 retaliator pod thing was at best an implied lie. Ben and Sandi never talked about the Sneak Peek as new footage. I called it a waste of time mainly because I hate watching that show. I do not watch INN stuff often, so I missed the Lando thing about downgrading Sneak Peek. Fact checking still eats a lot of time though, so I’d like to not do it. I’m sure the white knights are happy with this partial fact check at least. They don’t play fair when it works towards Derek or haters.
Yes, I can tell that you are extremely in the middle. You are not the only one tired of the back and forths. I mentioned it many times in my comments in Derek’s older blogs. But since Chris is the one running SC, and Derek is just an independent blogger, I will slam CIG and Chris for every mistake or lie.
The real stuff will only occur when Derek’s lawyers finally give the green light. That will take a long time…
I made a minor mistake. The Lightspeed package had the 350R and the exclusive racing suit. It was changed to the origin racing suit and then removed from sale after Ben was called out on it.
I somehow forgot to mention the whole 1 of 100 landing zone thing. We only have Arc Corp. What the hell happened to Nyx?
Still no more info on Vanduul. I do not accept the excuse of it’s a secret for story.
I understand your point that every refund hurts SC, and you only want to refund when there is solid-hard facts that SC is in trouble or really screwing with backers. But my opinion on that is still, it might be too late when those symptoms show up.
As long as CIG makes $3-4 million in the Anniversary Sale, and another $3-4 million in the Christmas or Holiday sale, they can run till Feb 2016. Only a major screw up, will give CIG major trouble. I think Chris wised up a little since. There is still a Prowler sale to buy an extra month.November 17, 2015 at 1:47 pm #1760
Mdrake: It wasn’t my intention to make you waste your time because I honestly do want to know if this was another downright lie from CIG (of which there have been a few) or if it was another truth-twisting story from Derek (of which there have been a few as well).
The “sneak peak” does indeed insunuate it’s new stuff we haven’t seen before and in my case it actually was, but I guess their standard is “stuff that may seem new”. But if you watched the Lando interview on INN you’ll understand that it was about lowering the quality of “sneak peek” because it turns out some people only watched it for that segment! “So let’s make it bad” is basically what he said.
As you can get from the way I write, I feel stuck in the middle. I see CIG slightly fucks up, Derek is there to exaggerate, maybe twist the truth a bit and glote over it as the internet warlord he is. Derek makes a valid point and CIG delivers a 2.0 presentation that looked awesome. It just goes back and forth like this all the time. It really is annoying. I wish I could say I have no allegiance, but my high admiral status on RSI forum would make me a liar I guess. But I’m not blind, I see the fuckups they do with offering LTI again, the M50 debacle. But I’ll give you points for the lack of Vanduul though, hadn’t considered that. I’m more looking at the “we have ONE finished landing zone, out of what, 100?” and going “this is gonna be a while”. But I’m not dying of any terminal disease (other than normal aging) so I can wait a while. But I’ll be damned if I contribute to the projects demise, atleast without some good, solid facts.November 17, 2015 at 11:43 am #1759
Well, not only did I waste a whole bunch of time watching segments of AtV 2.06 to check what you replied with, I realized that what you want is CIG to outright make a lie. That is the hard facts you want. I do not think you consider the end of LTI to be a lie, back in November 2013. The change to re-selling of the M50 exclusive racing suit as a separate item outside of the Lightspeed package also doesn’t affect you or come off as a lie.
Did you ever once question the lack of Vanduul character animations, appearance, anything in new stuff not from the Cutlass trailer? The Vanduul are the main bad guys, and there is nothing about them. Sure, CIG can be holding it back as a secret… but what if they actually never did anything with the Vanduul? Didn’t see any Vanduul in the Bishop trailer from CitCon. But I digress…
“Sneak peek” by itself implies something new is being shown. It is true that neither Ben or Sandi actually said anything in the actual show. The new stuff they referred to was the livestream on the 19th. For others, the implication is enough. For what you want, I have realized that I will not be able to present anything that meets your standard of a “smoking gun”.
I am sure that the only thing that will convince you something is wrong, is something that will occur when it’s too late. CIG is trying to make less mistakes now. If you did not consider Chris’ response to the Escapist sufficient, then nothing else will work short of never releasing anything. I am assuming you think it takes 5-7 years for SC to be made, which means another 2-3 years is needed for module releases. My opinion remains, the only things that will sway you are a lack of quality releases at the 5-7 year mark. Anything during the 3-5 years is perfectly acceptable to be in a horribly buggy, and unfinished state. Always time and money to fix things.
If the referral program doesn’t make you suspicious… maybe it’s a cultural thing in the USA. Maybe.
Well, at least I can give you free entertainment. Just sit back and enjoy the popcorn.November 17, 2015 at 10:36 am #1758
MDrake : I still fail to see where anyone from CIG said or wrote that this is NEW footage? Disco said right there on reddit it’s OLD footage? I don’t get how they can get flak for trying to pass off an old video as a new when I fail to see where they say it’s new? Yeah, it was “sneak peak” but that doesn’t say it’s totally new? How many times have we seen the hangar remix in the sneak peak? So my objection to this argument stands until someone can show me anyone from CIG saying that this is supposed to be new footage.November 17, 2015 at 9:05 am #1757
Just to remind you, fact checking is very painful. I asked for help in the end.
1. Watch from 2:24-2:32, published on Dec 19, 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJ9TcGxhNY
2. Watch 0:22-0:32, published Nov 5, 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-600jdROewQ
3. Read some comments here: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/3ro59m/atv2_05_sneakpeek_retailator_escape_pod_recovery/
Comments by Broken_Blade, Enoril, and therealdiscolando about retaliator escape pod.
“This was an old previs/lookdev created in December 2014. Parts of it were used in the CIG version of the Imagine trailer. We just thought you’d like to see the full, uncut version. =)
Remember, as this is previs/lookdev, it’s an exploration of ideas and concepts, and is in no way guaranteed to be representative of what you’d see in the finished game.”
Derek’s repost of this image is accurate: http://i.imgur.com/WiYasSG.jpg
Jared is a CIG employee and had to make an excuse. Notice the 73 upvotes. Also someone’s post got deleted.
So many people accept anything CIG says. I sure don’t.November 17, 2015 at 8:32 am #1756
There is another example of something I haven’t seen as concrete proof – of them saying “this is new stuff”? They showed it very recently, yes, but I don’t recall them saying “this is new stuff”? Please point out where that was said.
And yes, Jared has as much credibility of the making of this game as .. well anyone really. Because I believe him and even CR saying “2.0 will be out soon! Look more shiny pictures and videos” as little as I believe Derek when he only says “I have proof”. The only thing I can remember Derek having actual proof of was that they were married and had a kid – which was open for everyone who bothered to check IMDB. But that’s about it. And that’s not proof of anything regarding the games existence or not. What is proven is that this project has genereated a bigger budget than most AAA games has and that from a crowd funding campaign and she, as head of marketing, should get a little respect for that in my book because it goes in the category of “what is factual”. And yes, ofc there are more people now working there but “in the beginning” it was just a handful of people. But I digress.
What I meant with the comparison to Donal Trump is that Donald Trump is a certified asshole and very few people who have done business with him have good things to say about him. But you can’t argue with his results. He’s made it work and made insane amount of money. For all I care CR could be a royal jerk, he can be muslim or hindu, he can be a freaking trained monkey for all I care, if the results are there it doesn’t matter in this case. It’s not like I’m asking to have a beer with the guy, I’m asking to play the game he wants to make 🙂
And it’s pretty ironic how this place has more intelligent, respectful discussions in one week than RSI forum in over a month…November 17, 2015 at 7:25 am #1755
Donald Trump has far more wealth than Chris Roberts does. Trump could finance all of Star Citizen, if he wanted. Chris had to ask for crowdfunding to convince outside investors in the beginning. Not a good comparison at all, even if they run a company. Chris did run 2 of his into the ground though.
Jared or DiscoLando has already been caught lying. They tried to use an Avenger rescuing an escape pod as new footage, when in fact it was a year old. I do not know where it is on reddit now. Derek posted it too: http://i.imgur.com/WiYasSG.jpg
Jared may have started as a SC fan, but he can no longer be trusted to give out true information.
I disagree with Derek that CIG will fail within 90 days or Jan 2016. Chris will get desperate and layoff more people quietly, offer more ship sales… as long as they get $2-3 million a month, they can delay failure up till spring 2016 easily.
Knowing Chris from his Freelancer days, he will maintain an image of success until he is either bailed out, or collapses. Since there is no Microsoft, it’s just a collapse waiting.
I find your desire for an “actual smoking gun” and hard facts to be a bit too… lenient. You really want to enjoy the show until it’s too late to salvage the project, or get a refund. Then again, you have far less to lose.
On the bright side, you are much nicer than the others that called me a “deserter” or “sockpuppet.” Thanks for being friendly even in disagreement.November 17, 2015 at 6:55 am #1754
Alex Mayberry left, yes, For “personal reasons” that can be anything from family to hating Chris, we don’t know. But Jason Hutchins is still there. As is Jared Huckaby, and according to the interview a few weeks ago half the QA department is former Blizzards, as was Ship-shape Lisa (who I know isn’t there anymore). So there are quite alot of them.
I don’t know CR is an asshole, I’ve never met him. So I’ll leave the personal attacks out of it. But I do know John Rhys Davies is no fool, and only a fool wwould work with such a character you describe – thrice! And even if he’s the kind of character you describe, he doesn’t have to be a nice guy to run a company, just look at Trump!
Regarding what “proof” or “smoking guns” Derek has or don’t have, we only have his word. But if his prediction is true than the company shall crumble and fall before Jan 6th next year and we’ll never even get to court to find out what he does and does not have. Simply saying “I have proof but can’t show it” does little to sway me.November 17, 2015 at 4:55 am #1753
“If you’ve followed a project to make a AAA game in incomplete alpha for 6 months and felt you needed to “get out” and sold your ships, then you really shouldn’t sign up for a project like this again because you’re a part of the problem with open development!”
@Kristoffer he said he sold his ships, which means the money did not leave the system the way a refund would have. Also, he said he observed the forums and gathered info before making the decision. that sounds responsible to me.November 17, 2015 at 2:00 am #1752
@ Kristoffer S
Relating to ex-Blizzards at CIG, the only facts I have to share are…
“[Executive producer] Alex [Mayberry] left Cloud Imperium Games last month for personal reasons”.
“Mayberry came to Cloud Imperium after spending nearly 10 years working at World of Warcraft publisher Blizzard Entertainment. He was the lead producer on action role-playing game Diablo III. Prior to that, he worked on World of Warcraft expansions Wrath of the Lich King and The Burning Crusade.”
The rest is only speculation. But why would a 10 year vet from Blizzard leave? I think the reason is obvious. The way Chris Roberts attacked Derek shows just how much of an egotistical bully he actually is. Chris also attacked Lizzy pretty harshly too. The attacks are a fact. If Alex was attacked by Chris, it would be no surprise he’d leave mostly unannounced.
Fact is, Chris is an egotistical, arrogant, bully who is the CEO of CIG. They have missed nearly every date given. They have censored the official forums. CIG employees are fired, quitting or restructured. Arena Commander is a buggy mess. Chris refuses to give out any dates.
I am not waiting till CIG fails, to say the obvious fact: CIG under Chris’ leadership is screwed.
Another fact: Derek’s lawyers have torn up his blogs and have held back other information that will give the lawsuit a higher chance of winning. I can speculate based on the hints Derek has left, his lawyers have an amazing way of approaching this, and they have given CIG many chances to do the right thing. Good lawyers cost a chunk per hour, and it can be seen in their writing and handling of info or their client.
I can safely speculate: Chris, Sandi, and Ortwin… are in deep trouble.
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