Star Citizen - The E.L.E.

[dsmart]

Considering backing out...

I've backed star citizen from the beginning. I've seen the ups and downs, preached to friends and family about how amazingly ambitious the game is, invested hundreds of dollars, followed development streams and twitter accounts, and I just don't see this panning out anymore. Development has all but halted. Information is at a slow and stale trickle, and what we do get are more ships they want to sell and little bits and pieces that seem placed to string us along. I just can't honestly say I believe in CIG pulling this off anymore. If anyone can help rekindle that belief and show me something... ANYTHING to believe in the verse again, I might reconsider, but at this point I see even this community slowly losing its momentum too. I think you all are starting to feel the same way. 3.0 just seems farther away with every passing month and I really don't think this game will be done soon if ever. It's too big. We dreamed the dream but I think that's all it will stay... a big beautiful dream.

Seriously, where were all these guys when we've been saying - for two years straight - that this project was never getting done, and had evolved into a full blown scam?

[dsmart]

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/885139793532903424

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/885144183945789442

[StanTheMan]

Considering backing out...

I've backed star citizen from the beginning. I've seen the ups and downs, preached to friends and family about how amazingly ambitious the game is, invested hundreds of dollars, followed development streams and twitter accounts, and I just don't see this panning out anymore. Development has all but halted. Information is at a slow and stale trickle, and what we do get are more ships they want to sell and little bits and pieces that seem placed to string us along. I just can't honestly say I believe in CIG pulling this off anymore. If anyone can help rekindle that belief and show me something... ANYTHING to believe in the verse again, I might reconsider, but at this point I see even this community slowly losing its momentum too. I think you all are starting to feel the same way. 3.0 just seems farther away with every passing month and I really don't think this game will be done soon if ever. It's too big. We dreamed the dream but I think that's all it will stay... a big beautiful dream.

Seriously, where were all these guys when we've been saying - for two years straight - that this project was never getting done, and had evolved into a full blown scam?

they are so desperate that when people tell them it is ok and .. they just need to step away for a while to to regain their interest in SC.. they agree and express the hope of feeling better for a while.

[StanTheMan]

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/885139793532903424

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/885144183945789442

With all the comment here ... from OLDSklCMDR .. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6lx4k0/star_citizen_crafting_procedural_moons_analysis/djzhvmk/  it is obvious that Freyermuth is a useless arrogant lawyer.

You would have thought they would have made a better job of covering their backsides.

[dsmart]

With all the comment here ... from OLDSklCMDR .. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/6lx4k0/star_citizen_crafting_procedural_moons_analysis/djzhvmk/  it is obvious that Freyermuth is a useless arrogant lawyer.

You would have thought they would have made a better job of covering their backsides.

He has no clue. That's what happens when you're an entertainment lawyer who doesn't practice law. It's like a history teacher being asked to lecture a science class. Hilarity will ensue. This was clear to us from the get-go when he sent me a bullshit C&D which my lawyers shredded, and basically told him to fuck off. It was epic. If you haven't seen it, the links are in my How I got involved article.

[Ghostmaker]

He has no clue. That's what happens when you're an entertainment lawyer who doesn't practice law. It's like a history teacher being asked to lecture a science class. Hilarity will ensue. This was clear to us from the get-go when he sent me a bullshit C&D which my lawyers shredded, and basically told him to fuck off. It was epic. If you haven't seen it, the links are in my How I got involved article.

A number of bottom-feeder types in the lawyer profession will try to buffalo people with letters even if they've got no legal standing, up to and including actual lawsuits (SLAPPs, for example).

The problem comes when they pick a fight with someone who doesn't back down and is happy to start punching back.

[StanTheMan]

Well this is all going to play out. 

If they are in as much of a state as they seem to be and talking about dropping the veil and coming clean as Derek is hearing it is going to be a tortuous process even for these clowns and scammers.

Unfortunately unless they have been made redundant before,  employees may well be viewing everything with rose tinted glasses and won't expect the hammer to fall until it does.  No matter what has and is going on a with other colleagues.

[Meowz]

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/885139793532903424

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/885144183945789442

285+ mil seems like a lot, how would they even manage to spend so much? As a game dev DS, what could they possibly do in the efforts of developing the game that could even rack up such a bill? Even with lavish espresso machines and hydraulic doors, seems they would have to be even more creative to spend so much so quickly. Do you have significant trust for the validity of your source?

[dsmart]

285+ mil seems like a lot, how would they even manage to spend so much? As a game dev DS, what could they possibly do in the efforts of developing the game that could even rack up such a bill? Even with lavish espresso machines and hydraulic doors, seems they would have to be even more creative to spend so much so quickly. Do you have significant trust for the validity of your source?

You'd be surprised how fast money goes. Remember that F42-UK along is burning over $30M a year.

[helimoth]

I'm never surprised with how reckless people can be with money that they did not have to earn and that they do not have to pay back.

[Meowz]

If CIG does go belly up I hope all the execs, the ones truly responsible, are all ruined. More than just their reputations, I hope they are stuck in low middle-class, working some basic job to meet the bills. I wouldn't wish poverty on anyone, but they better not walk off into the sunset shrugging their shoulders saying "oh well we tried" while living the life and traveling on some yacht and Sandi gets to live out her lavish tastes and lifestyle desires. 

[nightfire]

If CIG does go belly up I hope all the execs, the ones truly responsible, are all ruined. More than just their reputations, I hope they are stuck in low middle-class, working some basic job to meet the bills. I wouldn't wish poverty on anyone, but they better not walk off into the sunset shrugging their shoulders saying "oh well we tried" while living the life and traveling on some yacht and Sandi gets to live out her lavish tastes and lifestyle desires.

Unfortunately, there are still a couple of places left in the Terra System to walk into the sunset on a daily basis, unfettered by US jurisdiction concerns… assuming they pack their suitcases in time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties#/media/File:United_States_extradition_treaties_countries.PNG

[dsmart]

A Goon over at SA, put this together.

Well shit man, here I was thinking that Star Citizen was bad and dead. But then a random German article says that they've seen it and got the inside scoop on it and it works and it's great! I guess I'm going to get back in, because we've never seen an article about how Star Citizen is real and it works and it's great from a German magazine just a few weeks before a major release for star citizen.

I mean just look at all of this from last year! Clearly the game is cool and good.

Or this one! They sure do love showing all their hottest stuff to obscure german journalists, just before major conventions and sales. It's really disappointing that they never manage to get any of it on video or release it to the public.

7-15-2017: http://www.gamestar.de/artikel/star-citizen-geburt-eines-universums,3316828.html
1-21-2017: http://www.gamestar.de/artikel/star-citizen-es-wird-spass-machen,3308151.html
12-17-2016: http://www.gamestar.de/artikel/star-citizen-enttaeuschendes-ende-fuer-ein-erfolgreiches-jahr-2016,3306981.html
06-01-2016: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4u7yve/star_citizen_in_pc_games_german/
02-01-2016: http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.computerspiel-star-citizen-ein-spielplatz-zwischen-den-sternen.faab641d-c615-4453-8d63-16aa3079a6e3.html
11-01-2015: https://www.cloudimperiumgames.com/news/347-PRESS-ROUNDUP-NOVEMBER-25-Star-Citizen-On-The-Cover-Of-Two-Major-Gaming-Magazines
8-8-2015: http://www.pcgames.de/Star-Citizen-Spiel-3481/News/gamescom-Multi-Crew-Demo-1167104/
7-8-2015: http://www.gamestar.de/artikel/star_citizen,3234776.html
Gamescom 2015: https://www.golem.de/news/star-citizen-freiflug-durchs-64-bit-universum-1508-115648.html

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I don't speak enough German to feel clear on the matter but it seems to me that they must be especially uncritical of bullshit over there. We occasionally see some idiots and/or paid placement falling all over themselves to praise CIG in a backwater PC Games magazine over here, but by and large they're pretty radioactive in the English speaking world anymore.

I just think it's really funny that backers sincerely believe that:
A) CIG has this amazing internal build that works and has all these features ready to rock.
B) But they don't want to ruin the surprise, so they constantly display video of shit like whiskey tumblers and cafeterias instead of their actual, functioning game.
C) But then they do some live demos to the press, disregarding B entirely.
D) But only to German magazines, and only with screenshots accompanying.
E) And this happens every year, just before the big sales, and they're just not quite ready to release so they hold back another year when the time comes.

Meanwhile, back in 2015...

https://www.cloudimperiumgames.com/news/347-PRESS-ROUNDUP-NOVEMBER-25-Star-Citizen-On-The-Cover-Of-Two-Major-Gaming-Magazines

[StanTheMan]

I wonder if it would be possible to sue the magazine for scamming too ?

[dsmart]

I wonder if it would be possible to sue the magazine for scamming too ?

LOL!!! No