Star Citizen - The E.L.E.

[dsmart]

Don't forget to vote! It's your civic duty!  :supaburn:

What do you think is the inevitable fate of Star Citizen?

[nightfire]

Man, checkout these Reddit threads.

I can't believe that it's $144M and year 2017, yet they still toss the same worn-out rhetorical BS around. Such as

• "They don't know what they're doing, because it hasn't been done before"
• "When you're working on something groundbreaking, delays happen"
• "it's hard to make accurate projections when you're building the most complex & ambitious game ever."
• "Chris overhypes certainly. But that's what he does."
• "CR's games have never been made in a timely fashion. They have always been awesome though."
• "Your typical large Scale AAA game takes 4-8 years of dev. CiG is building 2 games, has built an entire worldwide company and if they they ship SQ42 at EOY 2017 will have only taken 5 years, same as GTA V."
• "Didn't you read the TOS and all the disclaimers CIG makes you read before they let you give them money?  I'm not sure why you're acting surprised or upset."
  
• "If your criticisms are indistinguishable from Derek Smart posts, it's an indication you're doing something wrong."

[Darklegend1]

Man, checkout these Reddit threads.

I can't believe that it's $144M and year 2017, yet they still toss the same worn-out rhetorical BS around. Such as

• "They don't know what they're doing, because it hasn't been done before"
• "When you're working on something groundbreaking, delays happen"
• "it's hard to make accurate projections when you're building the most complex & ambitious game ever."
• "Chris overhypes certainly. But that's what he does."
• "CR's games have never been made in a timely fashion. They have always been awesome though."
• "Your typical large Scale AAA game takes 4-8 years of dev. CiG is building 2 games, has built an entire worldwide company and if they they ship SQ42 at EOY 2017 will have only taken 5 years, same as GTA V."
• "Didn't you read the TOS and all the disclaimers CIG makes you read before they let you give them money?  I'm not sure why you're acting surprised or upset."
  
• "If your criticisms are indistinguishable from Derek Smart posts, it's an indication you're doing something wrong."

Totally agree with you nightfire, I know its hard for some people to admit that they were wrong so they spun up new excuses but i cant fathom what kind of immense optimism these guys have.

I had enough of this bullshit after that horrendous december livestream, i knew cig were lying after citcon presentation but i seriously thought if they had any brain they will release some concrete milestones or info that they have achieved this year but all we got was promises and excuses.

The way i see it 3.0 was promised by december 2016 and 2.6 in august-september, and waht do we have now not even 2.6 in its entirety. They think backers and a pile of A-Holes and now i am beginning to believe they are very correct.

There incompetency grows each day. i know many will say they are making something never made before and i do agree. All i want from them is to say publicly they fucked up and tell us what the actual state is , they say they have enough money to make the game now so why are they still keeping us in the dark while more morons get milked everyday.

that schedule thing is the biggest joke in the history. who can complain about the game when even there schedules are being behind "schedule" . They told us the schedules they share are estimates only do they want us to believe they dont even have a estimate or track of what is being made what has to be made ??

Sure they keeep changing the schedule before also so they can share with us whatever they have and keep iterating on it as time passes by!!!

There is no chance of squadron 42 releasing in 2017 ..period. then also there page shows coming 2017 now. all it is now is just a milking scam. before it was 2016  . Dont put a date if you cant meet the goals. Just write coming soon but writing that will delay the milking so its unacceptable.

I dont even know what these whales will do in the game once and if this game ever releases. They already have all the ships and weapons , what will they grind.?? there wont be more than a couple of systems in beginning so no real exploration also. all they can do is troll the person who bought bare minimum package and is grinding.

also if i think optimistically 3.0 should come somewhere between june-july, so they have to waste time till april, they will drop 2.6.2 in april this will give them some time to breathe keeping blind backers happy that "yaay another timely patch delivered by cig" so they will have 2 more months after 2.6.2 that backer unrest begins to surface. but if they miss the deadline of june- july 2017 for 3.0 they will be hit hard and will be needing distractions so

whats next : 2.6.2.a and 2.6.2.b
 

 

[dsmart]

I can't believe that it's $144M and year 2017, yet they still toss the same worn-out rhetorical BS around. Such as

• "They don't know what they're doing, because it hasn't been done before"
• "When you're working on something groundbreaking, delays happen"
• "it's hard to make accurate projections when you're building the most complex & ambitious game ever."
• "Chris overhypes certainly. But that's what he does."
• "CR's games have never been made in a timely fashion. They have always been awesome though."
• "Your typical large Scale AAA game takes 4-8 years of dev. CiG is building 2 games, has built an entire worldwide company and if they they ship SQ42 at EOY 2017 will have only taken 5 years, same as GTA V."
• "Didn't you read the TOS and all the disclaimers CIG makes you read before they let you give them money?  I'm not sure why you're acting surprised or upset."
  
• "If your criticisms are indistinguishable from Derek Smart posts, it's an indication you're doing something wrong."

When I first wrote about Sunk Cost Fallacy and Cognitive Dissonance to describe some of these guys, there are those who just thought I was being mean, using hyperbole etc. But seriously, when you think about what is going on, you should easily see that no normal person would be giving them money at this point. I mean, look at the Hurricane JPEG sales. It's absolutely crazy to me that some people "believe" enough to keep giving them money; even though all the signs that this project has failed, are still there.

Some of us really do believe that there has to be some money laundering going on. Buy stuff with bad money, get a refund and get it out. Clean.

The thing is, I can't imagine what these people will think/feel once the next phase in the collapse comes. We're already in Mar 2017, and they've barely released 2.6.1 which is just as bad as any previous patch before it.

[dsmart]

that schedule thing is the biggest joke in the history. who can complain about the game when even there schedules are being behind "schedule" . They told us the schedules they share are estimates only do they want us to believe they dont even have a estimate or track of what is being made what has to be made ??

They do have an internal schedule. Thing is, if they share it, panic would ensue. It's something that sources talk about all the time. So what they do is cull the "near term"* items, then make that public. Which is why they haven't yet put up the 2.6.2 schedule, let alone the 3.0 or even SQ42.

* and they only started doing this with 2.6.0 due to backlash from the CitizenCon "demo", 3.0 not being released etc. It was to be a false sense of security for the backers. Despite the fact that - as far back as 2013 - they were giving out dates and schedules, while missing all of them. That was back when croberts had promised to give monthly schedules. Then he didn't. Like how Star Marine showed up, unexpectedly after being canned, in order to show 2016 progress; the latest schedule fiasco is kinda like that.

Who can remember my predictions from back in Q4/16 when I said that not only was 3.0 a pipe dream, but also they only came up with that schedule as a way to curry some quick backer confidence, when in fact nothing had changed?

LOL!! This was brilliant

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/5w27pe/about_262_production_schedule/de6ysfj/

"I see that we have evolved from getting the content/patches delayed at the last possible moment to getting the schedule with the stuff that will get delayed at the last possible moment delayed at the last possible moment
Luckily the sales are still on time."

[dsmart]

Yeah, that's not looking good, is it? "What do you think is the inevitable fate of Star Citizen?"



Oh, and they tried a "do over" poll which we believe was because they didn't like the 1st poll results.

[Stan]

I can't believe that it's $144M and year 2017, yet they still toss the same worn-out rhetorical BS around. Such as

• "They don't know what they're doing, because it hasn't been done before"
• "When you're working on something groundbreaking, delays happen"
• "it's hard to make accurate projections when you're building the most complex & ambitious game ever."
• "Chris overhypes certainly. But that's what he does."
• "CR's games have never been made in a timely fashion. They have always been awesome though."
• "Your typical large Scale AAA game takes 4-8 years of dev. CiG is building 2 games, has built an entire worldwide company and if they they ship SQ42 at EOY 2017 will have only taken 5 years, same as GTA V."
• "Didn't you read the TOS and all the disclaimers CIG makes you read before they let you give them money?  I'm not sure why you're acting surprised or upset."
  
• "If your criticisms are indistinguishable from Derek Smart posts, it's an indication you're doing something wrong."

When I first wrote about Sunk Cost Fallacy and Cognitive Dissonance to describe some of these guys, there are those who just thought I was being mean, using hyperbole etc. But seriously, when you think about what is going on, you should easily see that no normal person would be giving them money at this point. I mean, look at the Hurricane JPEG sales. It's absolutely crazy to me that some people "believe" enough to keep giving them money; even though all the signs that this project has failed, are still there.

Some of us really do believe that there has to be some money laundering going on. Buy stuff with bad money, get a refund and get it out. Clean.

The thing is, I can't imagine what these people will think/feel once the next phase in the collapse comes. We're already in Mar 2017, and they've barely released 2.6.1 which is just as bad as any previous patch before it.

People want to be scammed.

Interesting article written on the back of the authors research.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/feb/11/internet-scams-dating-romance-money

"I got involved with a scammer to better understand why people fall for their stories – and discovered it’s as much about tricking yourself as being tricked"

[dsmart]

As the on-going debate (we know it's not accurate, doesn't take into account refunds, loans, investors etc. plus, from data analytics we've seen some evidence of it being padded) over the funding chart rages on, one person over on SA made a very good point* that I hadn't even considered until now.

Previously, it was just as straightforward money laundering as buying Star Citizen JPEGs with dirty money; then either getting a refund or selling it on the Grey market (primarily over on /r/StarCitizen_Trades/ which is run by one of the mods who created a hate Sub-Reddit dedicated to me). Seriously, check this out. Does that look normal to you?

Anyway, considering that CIG recently started asking for ID (you're a fool if you send ID via email to a company that's known to abuse user data) in order to do refunds, probably means that they're either aware of this and are trying to curb (the Grey market eats into their revenue obviously), or they are aware of it, and thus using the ID verification as a way to refuse refunds, thus not only keeping the money in CIG, but also screwing money launderers.

Then this alternate theory* from SA came along. That's so diabolical in its construction that, this being CIG, it's totally a possibility.

How about this

CIG releases a new concept jpg for $250  , limited to 1000 or whatever number they make up

Within a few days / hours they show all the 1000 have been sold (but they haven't)

Mena while at CIG hq they've sold 900 to the staff , at 75% off.

Cig staff now head to the grey market , eBay , wherever, and sell their 900 ships to the general public (or more likely one of the big ship middle men) for 50% of the original msrp (or 25% more than what the cig employee paid)

Idiot shill or Internet spaceship collector buys it thinking wow 25% off I made out like a bandit !

Meanwhile cig claims the sale at full price , the employee pockets their 25% off the entire transaction, and the shill continues to praise the crobberts

===

The key point here is the brown sea is always filled with people saying Oh of that ship was only a little cheaper I'd buy 1. Heck I'd buy 5 (although that makes zero sense)

So by CIG cutting the price down via the multi marketing level scam. More people would buy them , just not via the normal channels

===

I mean , this guy appears to be holding at least a hundred jpegs or more himself , assuming he makes actual sales and has to 'restock'

And I just made up the numbers obviously , but even if they did my scam tactic idea for 50% of the ships it would still help surge the funding charts

Instead of the ships sitting unsold in the jpeg warehouse next to lesnicks wing commander porn

Also, with 4 worldwide studios scattered among over a dozen worldwide corporations, this is what I predict will be the fate of CIG/RSI/F42 over in the UK (archive) when this shit-show collapses.

[Stan]

As the on-going debate (we know it's not accurate, doesn't take into account refunds, loans, investors etc. plus, from data analytics we've seen some evidence of it being padded) over the funding chart rages on, one person over on SA made a very good point* that I hadn't even considered until now.

Previously, it was just as straightforward money laundering as buying Star Citizen JPEGs with dirty money; then either getting a refund or selling it on the Grey market (primarily over on /r/StarCitizen_Trades/ which is run by one of the mods who created a hate Sub-Reddit dedicated to me). Seriously, check this out. Does that look normal to you?

Anyway, considering that CIG recently started asking for ID (you're a fool if you send ID via email to a company that's known to abuse user data) in order to do refunds, probably means that they're either aware of this and are trying to curb (the Grey market eats into their revenue obviously), or they are aware of it, and thus using the ID verification as a way to refuse refunds, thus not only keeping the money in CIG, but also screwing money launderers.

Then this alternate theory* from SA came along. That's so diabolical in its construction that, this being CIG, it's totally a possibility.

How about this

CIG releases a new concept jpg for $250  , limited to 1000 or whatever number they make up

Within a few days / hours they show all the 1000 have been sold (but they haven't)

Mena while at CIG hq they've sold 900 to the staff , at 75% off.

Cig staff now head to the grey market , eBay , wherever, and sell their 900 ships to the general public (or more likely one of the big ship middle men) for 50% of the original msrp (or 25% more than what the cig employee paid)

Idiot shill or Internet spaceship collector buys it thinking wow 25% off I made out like a bandit !

Meanwhile cig claims the sale at full price , the employee pockets their 25% off the entire transaction, and the shill continues to praise the crobberts

===

The key point here is the brown sea is always filled with people saying Oh of that ship was only a little cheaper I'd buy 1. Heck I'd buy 5 (although that makes zero sense)

So by CIG cutting the price down via the multi marketing level scam. More people would buy them , just not via the normal channels

===

I mean , this guy appears to be holding at least a hundred jpegs or more himself , assuming he makes actual sales and has to 'restock'

And I just made up the numbers obviously , but even if they did my scam tactic idea for 50% of the ships it would still help surge the funding charts

Instead of the ships sitting unsold in the jpeg warehouse next to lesnicks wing commander porn

Also, with 4 worldwide studios scattered among over a dozen worldwide corporations, this is what I predict will be the fate of CIG/RSI/F42 over in the UK (archive) when this shit-show collapses.

I would doubt the Grey market scam as outlined above.

It would be very risky because it would only take a whistleblower or two and future sales would be in jeopardy.

There is also the RSI store credit factor - you can get store credit or sc trades  for 75% of the $ worth and that was the case before the warbonds were invented.

A huge % of the general gaming public are scared shitless by game account / item trading. 

[dsmart]

...and we have the second confirmation of the existence of a 2.7 patch; even as CIG continues to dangle 3.0 in front of backers like a carrot stick. Of course none of this means anything seeing as they can brand any build to be 3.0 and call it a day. They did the same thing with the 2.5.x path in Dec, which miraculously became 2.6.0 though, aside from Star Marine, didn't contain most of what was previously promised, and which are now playing out in 2.6.1 (current) and upcoming 2.6.2 builds.

The first confirmation was by Todd Pappy and I covered that in this post back on Feb 14.

As I wrote back then, at the end of the day, they can brand any build as 3.0, and call it a day. All with complete disregard for promises made. And they can do this with impunity because even as they continue to do so, and whales, in Sunk Cost Fallacy, keep propping it up, they get the impression that they have a blank check. And with that, they have zero incentive to finish the games as promised, let alone deliver on any promises made.

[nightfire]

...and we have the second confirmation of the existence of a 2.7 patch; even as CIG continues to dangle 3.0 in front of backers like a carrot stick.

The Hivemind is already transforming 2.7 into 3.0 (resp. 3.0 into 2.7).

According to this new strain of extraterrestial logic, 2.7 is the "build number", while 3.0 is the "marketing term"… and (surprise!) always has been!  :doh:

Example:

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if some devs are working on the original 2.7 build, and just didn't care enough to change the build number.
It's quite easy to say "two seven" by accident when you're constantly working on a build that is called "2.7" on the dev side of things, even if it will become public build 3.0.

[dsmart]

...and we have the second confirmation of the existence of a 2.7 patch; even as CIG continues to dangle 3.0 in front of backers like a carrot stick.

The Hivemind is already transforming 2.7 into 3.0 (resp. 3.0 into 2.7).

According to this new strain of extraterrestial logic, 2.7 is the "build number", while 3.0 is the "marketing term"… and (surprise!) always has been!  :doh:

Example:

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if some devs are working on the original 2.7 build, and just didn't care enough to change the build number.
It's quite easy to say "two seven" by accident when you're constantly working on a build that is called "2.7" on the dev side of things, even if it will become public build 3.0.

We were just chatting about this on my Discord channel. It's amazing the mental gymnastics these guys go through.

[dsmart]

...meanwhile, over there.

A lot of people in this sub like to think that this community isn't toxic but it is. Especially this sub. Whenever someone posts something critical of CIG its downvoted to hell and the author is usually derided with claims of being a troll or DS account. It's ridiculous.
I already know this will get downvoted, but I don't give a fuck. It needs to be said. This community (reddit, RSI forums, and Facebook) is slowly becoming more and more toxic. All because some people can't separate their emotions from the game enough to have an actual conversation.
But what do I know? I'm just a goon DS troll account who wants to see CIG fail, despite having backed them for $500+ dollars.

[dsmart]

People are broken. Threads like this are precisely why Shitizens have such a bad rap

His original post got tons of upvotes.

[dsmart]

This went precisely as expected...

Manage your initial 3.0 expectations, a mental health wellness recommendation.